Order of the red star

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Order of the red star

Messaggio da komsomol » mer giu 22, 2016 4:34 pm

Better pictures coming soon! But I'm happy.
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Messaggio da filo » mer giu 22, 2016 6:27 pm

Beautiful! [278
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Messaggio da komsomol » ven giu 24, 2016 8:54 pm

Here they are!
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Messaggio da komsomol » ven giu 24, 2016 8:56 pm

According to this letter - ungarian is not an easy langage to translate - this man was a police colonel, member of theCouncil of Police College in Budapest.
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Messaggio da Kaiser_Franz » sab giu 25, 2016 2:00 pm

So simply but so beautyfull!!!!
Can you tell us something about the quality of the order? I don't have (for now) hungarian's orders so I'm interessed to know more about materials :)
Deutsche Jugend, bestes Streben unsres Volks in dir vereint
Wirst du Deutschlands neues Leben
Und die Sonne schön wie nie über Deutschland scheint!
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła
Kiedy my żyjemy,
Co nam obca przemoc wzięła,
Szablą odbierzemy.

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Messaggio da komsomol » sab giu 25, 2016 4:34 pm

Kaiser_Franz ha scritto:So simply but so beautyfull!!!!
Can you tell us something about the quality of the order? I don't have (for now) hungarian's orders so I'm interessed to know more about materials :)
Grazzie for kind comments!

I'd say higher stuf than DDR and Poland, but lower quality than Czesch. And far from soviet medals. I must talke better close-ups!

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Messaggio da Kaiser_Franz » mer lug 06, 2016 2:51 am

DDR was so simple...good but not so extraordinary, a medium-high level, poland's better than DDR but simple, probably at the same level of Bulgaria.
Czech's orders are extraordinary and Soviet was a masterpiece. Romania was good, Jugoslavia maybe was the most near at the soviet's standars.
Albania was the worst...
Deutsche Jugend, bestes Streben unsres Volks in dir vereint
Wirst du Deutschlands neues Leben
Und die Sonne schön wie nie über Deutschland scheint!
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła
Kiedy my żyjemy,
Co nam obca przemoc wzięła,
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Messaggio da ralph » gio dic 27, 2018 6:43 pm

Interesting thread. Please let me know if I am wrong with my comment. It appears to have worked within the security departments in BM II and III during his career. Nice addition to your collection.

Were you able to find the rest of his awards and add them to your collection since this thread was last updated? :-)

Honors For Excellent Service Merit Medal 1960
Service Merit Medal 1975 (25 years old)
The Golden Degree of Merit for His Home Service in 1969
Liberation Jubilee Memorial Medal 1970
Red Star Merit Order 1979

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Messaggio da komsomol » dom dic 30, 2018 12:35 am

Saddly no!

About the Beluggyminusterium, or Minsitry of Interior, I don't remember, to be frankly. I only remember he was an academy professor.

I must work again a correct translation of the online biographie found in Hungary, but hungarian syntax is a big concern for most automatic translators...

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Messaggio da ralph » dom dic 30, 2018 12:35 pm

Thanks much for the correction and additional information, appreciated.
komsomol ha scritto:Saddly no!

About the Beluggyminusterium, or Minsitry of Interior, I don't remember, to be frankly. I only remember he was an academy professor.

I must work again a correct translation of the online biographie found in Hungary, but hungarian syntax is a big concern for most automatic translators...

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Messaggio da komsomol » dom dic 30, 2018 2:05 pm

I started a new - approximative - translation : you're perfectly right about the numerous indications of time spent in the famous Ministry of interior. This guy also knew hard times under Rakosy's rule.

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Messaggio da ralph » dom dic 30, 2018 2:15 pm

Thanks for the clarification. [264
komsomol ha scritto:I started a new - approximative - translation : you're perfectly right about the numerous indications of time spent in the famous Ministry of interior. This guy also knew hard times under Rakosy's rule.

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Messaggio da komsomol » dom dic 30, 2018 9:34 pm

His mother's name is Gabriella Réthi
His father's name is William Gidal
Date of Birth: 7 December 1925
place of birth: Budapest
time of death: 1988 August 29
place of death: Budapest

HISTORICAL REVIEW OF STATE SECURITY SERVICES

Qualifications
Original Occupation / Qualification Iron Crossing Assistant
Graduation 1944
Operative Officer Examination 1958
1 year Operational Course 1960
ELTE Faculty of Humanities (German) 1960
ELTE Faculty of Law 1967

Ranks chronology
rny. Lieutenant 1946
av. Lieutenant-General 1950
rny. Lieutenant General 1957
r. Captain 1959
r. Major 1964
r. Lt Colonel 1968


Posts
Hungarian State Police Police Detective Department Detective Department Detective Department 1945
BM State Defense Authority Operational Officer 1948
State Defense Authority Testing Department Anti-Spy Subclass Inspector 1951
Decommissioned 1952
BM II / 8-a (Anticancer Test) Subclass Examination 1957
BM III / 4. (Analytical and Evaluation Department) lecturer 1962
BM III / 4-A Subdivision Chief Editor 1964
BM III / 4-C Subdivision Head of Division 1967
BM III / 4-C Subclass Head of Division 1968
BM III / 4. Deputy Head of Department 1969
Independent Research and Design Subclass Head of Division 1971
BM Department of Science Division subclass leader 1974
Placed in Western Crimea ?????? in 1979

Achievements
Meritorious Merit Medal 1960
Service Merit Medal 1975 (25 years old)
The Golden Degree of Merit for His Home Service in 1969
Liberation Jubilee Memorial Medal 1970
Red Star Merit Order 1979

Career
In October 1945, he was admitted to the Department of Economic Law Enforcement, which is currently being organized, and was transferred to the State Security Authority when it ceased in December 1948.
In 1952, he was expelled from the party and disassembled, working until September 1957 in the Mechanical Engineering Division as a ferruger.
In October 1956 he stayed at his workplace, took part in guarding it, and from November he was responsible for organizing the organization. The MSZMP was rehabilitated in 1957, and was taken back to the Department of Investigation by the BM. According to its 1958 rating:“Your professional skills are good. Has extensive experience in carrying out test work.
After his time out, he learned with great diligence and endeavor the legal - order - requirements and test methods that had been established since his decommissioning. He has been working independently from the beginning. He has achieved significant results in examining several cases. ”
During the retaliation he took part, inter alia, in the following cases:
György Fáncsik et al.
József Grősz and others,
Dr. János Lányi and others,
Case of László Péter Földes.
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Messaggio da komsomol » dom dic 30, 2018 9:39 pm

Gents, you'll find supra a rough english translation of his online hungarian file.

There are many translation problems (Hungarian is a complex agglutinating langage, in which words "glue" or assemble together to form a new meaning different from former separate meanings: automatic translators hate that! ).

I have to show some sentences to an hungarian friend.

Thank you Ralph for stimulation; this discussion led to open a whole new field of historical facts about this man.

Looks like this officer knew a juridical career comparable to his DDR colleagues graduated from Postdam MfS academy.

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Messaggio da ralph » dom dic 30, 2018 10:46 pm

I am really glad to read that you have more specific background history on Gidal. And also interesting to read that he went to higher level of school in East Germany, very interesting. And this for sure fits when you read more about the Hungarian intelligence and security relationship with the MfS.

komsomol, when you add STASI Decorations and Memorabilia Volume III to your reference library, you will also like and find of interest the Hungarian grouping in chapter 33.

CONGRATS!!!

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