OG3 N°440338

[filo]

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[GC*]

Fantastico! Li stai veramente accatastando gli OG..

Peccato per il graffietto di gatto sul recto..

[SergioV]

e bravo filo complimenti

[Airon]

[rocketscientist]

Eccellente, filo! Complimenti!

[filo]

Rimasta nel dimenticatoio, causa la mancata traduzione della citazione, da parte dell'ormai "famoso" Artem.

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Record card

Order booklet nr. A661349

1. Last name: Peredeev
2. First name and patronymic: Ivan Ivanovich
3. Military rank: Staff Sergeant
4. Sex: Male
5. Year of birth: 1922
6. Place of birth: Sibalinskaya Oblast, Konstantinovskii Region, Verolubovskii Village.
7. Party membership (since which year): Not a Member
8. Education: Basic
9. Nationality: Ukrainian
10. Since which year in the Red Army: July 1941 – November 1941
11. Place of service (name of the unit) and position at the time of the award: Front-line horse
depot #35, 4 th Ukraine Front, squad leader.
12. Current place of service and position: Sibalinskaya Oblast, Konstantinovskii Region,
Sovchoz Chimik - Worker.
13. Home address of the awardee: Sibalinskaya Oblast, Konstantinovskii Region,
Verolubovskii Village.
14. Record of all awards received:

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Signature of the awardee: [signed]

I confirm the correctness of the data and the signature of the awardee (position and signature):
Konstantinovskii City Commissar
Major [signed] /XXX/
February 1, 1947

Order:

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[filo]

ст. сержант Передеев, Иван Иванович - 1922 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig- ... e42483548/

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[airfix]

"famoso" Artem

Devo essermi perso qualcosa: chi e' o cos'e' questo "famoso" Artem?

[Egorka]

ст. сержант Передеев, Иван Иванович - 1922 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig- ... e42483548/

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Hello, Filo!
I wonder, what does the map above shows? And how does it relate to Sergeant Peredeev?

[filo]

"famoso" Artem

Devo essermi perso qualcosa: chi e' o cos'e' questo "famoso" Artem?

Uno dei ricercatori che ho utilizzato in passato, a buon mercato, 18 dollari tutto compreso, ma le sue traduzioni erano pessime e incomplete.

[filo]

ст. сержант Передеев, Иван Иванович - 1922 https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig- ... e42483548/

Hello, Filo!
I wonder, what does the map above shows? And how does it relate to Sergeant Peredeev?

Se questo non è lui, allora trovalo te, un altro Peredeev, nato nel 1922, e decorato con un OG3, su Podvig Naroda, purtroppo la prima pagina dell'Ordine n°226 è mancante.

If this guy is not him, then you find him, another Peredeev, born in 1922, and decorated with a OG3 on Podvig Naroda, the first page of the Order N°226 is missing.

С ув., filo

[filo]

But it is quite clear, or not?

Ma è del tutto evidente, o no?

[Egorka]

Filo, yes, this is him. No problem here.
I am asking if you understand what those dots and arrows on the map mean and how they relate to Peredeev experience during his service?
I assumed it was an important piece of information since it is included into the research. If the map is important, then it is equaly important to interprete the content correctly.

Here is the point. This map is NOT Peredeevs combat path. This is 4 Ukrainian Front combat path as interpreted by the people who digitized the documents. In fact, most of the information on the map has nothing to do with Peredeev service.
That is why I asked if the information on the map has been understood.
To conclude I would like to add, that the point "Decoration" on the map (the one you show in the last post) is completely misplaced.
There are many other facets of this facinating citation, that I cann't really squeeze into this answer.
But maybe itwas all clear already. In such case excuse my silliness.

[filo]

Hет, Igor,
I do not I will make more research translated to your prices, with this speculation, I think research is a source of income, so you should act like a real business, offering to the public, discounts, special offers, etc.
Then maybe we can talk about us.

Io non effettuerò più ricerche tradotte ai vostri prezzi, e con questa speculazione in atto, io penso che la ricerca è a tutti gli effetti una fonte di forte guadagno, esentasse, perciò voi vi dovreste almeno comportare come una vera attività imprenditoriale, proponendo al pubblico, sconti, offerte speciali, ecc.
Allora forse noi ne potremo riparlare.
You comprì?

[Egorka]

Oh, well. You see a trap everywhere, do you? Don't be so suspicious of a fellow collector.
Why did you say "speculation"? If you disagree, then, please, explain.
My point shortly: Just be careful with those maps from PN site. They are misleading more often than you think.

[filo]

Oh, well. You see a trap everywhere, do you? Don't be so suspicious of a fellow collector.
Why did you say "speculation"? If you disagree, then, please, explain.
My point shortly: Just be careful with those maps from PN site. They are misleading more often than you think.

Thanks Igor, but if you do not mind, I would not continue to discuss research on a thread dedicated to a cavalier.
But what if you want to add specific information, they are welcome, it is also a chance to show the forum what you're capable of doing.
The work voluntarily free, it's rewarding, it makes winning extra esteem, and eventually re pay.
For the research I will wait for better times, or profitable opportunities.

[Egorka]

Thanks Igor, but if you do not mind, I would not continue to discuss research on a thread dedicated to a cavalier.
But what if you want to add specific information, they are welcome, it is also a chance to show the forum what you're capable of doing.
The work voluntarily free, it's rewarding, it makes winning extra esteem, and eventually re pay.
For the research I will wait for better times, or profitable opportunities.

Yes, my focus is on the cavalier. I am not trying to sell you anything.

So getting back to the map from PN site. The screenshot you have there shows the combat path of 4 Ukrainian Front (as interpreted by the people who digitised the documents).
Peredeev has been serving in 35th Horse depot of the 4th Ukr. Front since December 1944.
He was awarded in July 1945.
I put rough sketch on the map below.
So as you can see the, map is quite misleading if one doesn't know what it represents.