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Hello! But what are the watermarks allowing to establish a difference between a soviet period and a 1993 struck?

Well, in general:
. more poorly finished connection ring
. lack of surface finishing

Lapa ha scritto: . more poorly finished connection ring

I noticed the coining remainings around the loop. Could it be sufficient?

About the surfaces: were they polished at the Mint? Or are there microscopic defects (like those kind of waves on the last shown medal? Looks really like wear traces...)

La discussione si sta facendo interessante, anche perche' sembra che molti di noi di RKKA non erano a conoscenza degli strikes del 1993, dunque, premetto che gia' sono contento di sapere che la medaglia e' prodotta da conio originale, pero i difetti riportati da lapa, il quale stimo nel modo piu' assoluto come esperto, mi lasciano le stesse perplessita di Komsomol.



The discussion is doing interesting, because it seems that many of us on RKKA were not aware of the strikes of 1993, therefore, i'm very happy all the same to know the medal is produced by the original coinage, but the defects reported by lapa, which I respect in the most absolute as an expert, leave me the same perplexity of Komsomol.

airfix ha scritto:La discussione si sta facendo interessante

Air, puoi fare due foto del profilo dell'anello?

Guys,

To try to put things simply, the 1993 strikes were not finished at all compared with the regular Soviet issues. All of you are familiar with the satin-looking finish of surfaces (one can also call it "light frost"). The 1993 issues were simply struck and exhibit a flat, semi shiny surface and do not have that satiny look that the original issues had.

Marc

filo ha scritto:

airfix ha scritto:La discussione si sta facendo interessante

Air, puoi fare due foto del profilo dell'anello?

Et voila!

I unfortunately have seen live only a medal. and it was an option 2, I kept the photos, and in this case the satin finish is evident.
But this time I am struggling to understand, to me the guys medals seem an option 1, no patina.
Also Mondvor example, I don't see the satin finish, but only patina, and the ring is very rough.


http://mondvor.narod.ru/MPozhar.html

Un esempio di variante 1, su Co.Ru. che sembra avvalorare la spiegazione di Marc.

An example of variant 1, on Co.Ru. that seems to confirm the explanation of Marc.

filo ha scritto:Un esempio di variante 1, su Co.Ru. che sembra avvalorare la spiegazione di Marc.

An example of variant 1, on Co.Ru. that seems to confirm the explanation of Marc.

Va bene anche cosi' (conio originale 1993 stikes), non mi sono fatto mai illusioni che fosse una variante 1.
Grazie a tutti i partecipanti alla discussione.

What do you think about this one?

best regards and thanks
Andreas

Alfred ha scritto:What do you think about this one?

best regards and thanks
Andreas

For me it's ok, Unless, it can be a viewtopic.php?p=620108#p620108
Andreas I'm not good with this Medal, and then I would not be getting me to respond, but unfortunately many competent members of the forum seem to have gone on vacation, maybe...

I agree, in my opinion is from a genuine coin.

Good, even for me.

Actually I do not see big differences between Andreas' and Airfix's medals. Both have the details of the Option2, and none of them has the "light frost" appearance of the surface (at least from what I can see by the pictures) . This treatment could have been missed at the source, or somehow faded away with time and wear, otherwise both medals should be considered from, let's say, an "unofficial" production.

rocketscientist ha scritto:Actually I do not see big differences between Andreas' and Airfix's medals. Both have the details of the Option2, and none of them has the "light frost" appearance of the surface (at least from what I can see by the pictures) . This treatment could have been missed at the source, or somehow faded away with time and wear, otherwise both medals should be considered from, let's say, an "unofficial" production.

At last someone noted that "insignificant" detail. I believe that Andreas' medal is another 1993 example.

No doubt about this one. I do not like it. Looks bad to me.

Ear of the fireman is missing details. The wholke surface is pockmarked / rough.
The ear of the child is mkissing details.

Andreas

This one looks better to me. Any oppinions?

thanks and best regards
Andreas

Here is a full group :

I have always problems with this medal, however it seems ok to me at a first glance . Honestly, the picture is not at the best quality, the medal being so shiny that most of the detail is lost.
I know by experience that it is not easy to take good pictures of minty german silver medals.