Wartime caps: identification

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komsomol
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Wartime caps: identification

Messaggio da komsomol » mar apr 14, 2020 6:03 pm

Gents, I propose this game. A french collector, non specialized in our area, tries to convince me that those 3 caps are wartime.

I 'm convinced they are all M55 caps doctored to look like wartime and being more valuable.

His explanations:
-the first one is a M55 with a square visor added for cinema, with internal stamp as a proof.

-the second one is a M35 with a square M48 visor and a M36 star, and a "red fighter factory stamp" for 51-54 (sic).

-the third one is conceived to look like a field M41: it would be a M59 basis with a new visor and a M39 star.

The poor guy believes he has genuine caps, and you see how smoky is his reasoning.

What are your opnions?
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Re: Wartime caps: identification

Messaggio da Lapa » mar apr 14, 2020 9:04 pm

Seb,

I am somewhat lost with your explanations: Are the descriptions HIS or YOURS?
I agree that all 3 caps are "improved" post-war specimens, along the lines of the explanations you wrote above.
And the last one has a splendid fake stamp [110.gif

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Re: Wartime caps: identification

Messaggio da komsomol » mer apr 15, 2020 2:16 am

Hello, thanx for prompt answer!

What I reported are HIS explanations...

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Messaggio da Lapa » mer apr 15, 2020 10:12 pm

In that case, I agree with his explanations.

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Re: Wartime caps: identification

Messaggio da komsomol » mer apr 15, 2020 11:56 pm

So 3 genuine caps?

The 1st one could be a movie prop.

But the 2nd one? Not a M35 with a 50ies stamp, not possible?

The 3rd is also crap, with its visor added...

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Messaggio da Lapa » gio apr 16, 2020 2:00 am

No, 3 fake caps, as he indicated, made from later material to look like older models.
True, the wording of the second one is off. It should be "1950's cap with changed visor to make it look like an M35".

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Re: Wartime caps: identification

Messaggio da komsomol » gio apr 16, 2020 1:04 pm

Well, it's because he's convinced to have 3 genuine caps...

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Messaggio da Lapa » gio apr 16, 2020 5:51 pm

Not if what you wrote in your first post is what he said!!!

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Messaggio da komsomol » gio apr 16, 2020 8:27 pm

Lapa ha scritto:
gio apr 16, 2020 5:51 pm
Not if what you wrote in your first post is what he said!!!
This is the point! His reasoning is twisted: the 1st is for him genuine, even if modificated; the 2 and 3rd are 100% genuine. I said the visor were brand new but for him they are ok.

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Messaggio da Lapa » gio apr 16, 2020 9:23 pm

Seb,

The way you wrote it, it sounds rather differently:
-"the first one is a M55 with a square visor added for cinema, with internal stamp as a proof.": Yes, M55 no argument
-"the third one is conceived to look like a field M41: it would be a M59 basis with a new visor and a M39 star.": so, here also, it pretends to be an M41 although it is a modification of an M59, as mentioned.

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