Medaglia per la Difesa di Kiev - Errore della Zecca

[filo]

But this Obverse, seeing the ring looks like a real Kiev.

The medals posted by Marc are true originals, IMHO.

This was clearly Rocket , I mean to say that the first photo is a classic Kiev, and the second image is of a Kiev error.

Prova a trovare una kiev con errore, con un anellino così. - Try to find a kiev with error, with a ring so made.

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[rocketscientist]

On the contrary, obverses seem almost identical, besides some differences possibly due to the brightness of Mark's Kiev.

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[rocketscientist]

I mean to say that the first photo is a classic Kiev, and the second image is of a Kiev error.

The second image is a true Vienna, IMHO

Prova a trovare una kiev con errore, con un anellino così. - Try to find a kiev with error, with a ring so made.

Perchè dovrei? Non mi aspetto di trovarne. - Why should I? I wouldn't expect to find any.

[filo]

Si hai ragione non avevo visto il colore del nastriino...
ecco altri due errori, e il fuori asse della medagli con l'anello è sempre presente.

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Киев с ошибкой 02.jpg

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[Lapa]

Guys,

Indeed, both medals are true ones: Defense of Kiev and Capture of Vienna.

Now, let's stop for a second and think. Why did I purposefully post these medals, and not pictures of the mule?
If that medal is a genuine mint error, it means that a worker there paired two existing dies that should not be used together. If so, both obverse and reverse must be IDENTICAL to the Kiev and Vienna medals coined at that time. If not, then someone will have to explain to me how coining dies can show differences in details when they are paired with a another, unintended die

If there are differences, this means that new dies were produced, a rather time consuming and labor intensive task. Wouldn't that sound somewhat strange for a supposed error?

Marc

[Japanx]

Sintetica esposizione

These so-called "errors" are fakes that were created specifically for collectors
As far as I know they were made by mint people, on Moscow mint machinery somewhere around 1993.

[filo]

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[Japanx]

I wouldn't call these "errors" le rarità da museo

[vix19]

Grazie ragazzi , complimenti a tutti e grazie per la partecipazione . Trovo la discussione molto istruttiva per tutti gli utenti del forum , questo mi sembra il risultato migliore .

Penso sia curioso che mondvor lasci aperte entrambe le ipotesi , anzi va oltre, chiede aiuto per svelare il mistero


Congratulations to all and thanks for participating. I find the discussion very informative for all users of the forum, this seems to me the best result.

I think it's curious that mondvor leaves open both cases, in fact goes further, asking for help to unravel the mystery