OPW II N°23729

[filo]

brindiamo al tris

Solo bis per ora, la XX non è ancora arrivata.

Spero che questa storia sia stata interessante e istruttiva, e non fate come me che sono fuori , ma cercate di seguire i consigli da Alexei http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28852

[airfix]

brindiamo al tris

Solo bis per ora, la XX non è ancora arrivata.

Spero che questa storia sia stata interessante e istruttiva, e non fate come me che sono fuori , ma cercate di seguire i consigli da Alexei http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=28852

[vix19]

Complimenti Filo

[Alfred]

Is the ring soldered to the tip of the star or is it struck from one piece?

best regards
Andreas

[Airon]

Is the ring soldered to the tip of the star or is it struck from one piece?

best regards
Andreas

http://www.rkka.it/forum/download/file.php?id=153415

[Lapa]

Now that Andreas has jumped joined in, I might as well jump onto the bandwagon.
There are several things that I find "questionable" about it:
. the apparently soldered ring, as pointed out by Andreas
. the engraving of the serial number (see the two nearby numbered pieces I have already posted)
. the connecting ring
. the backing star
. the red enamel
. the maker's marks both on the order itself and on the suspension
. the suspension itself (Filo, can you make some sharp, focused scans/photos of its edges)
Now, if anyone cares to discuss any/all of these issues

Marc

[Tommy]

To my untrained eye, the "Hexagonal star", in the bottom right corner especially, there looks to be imperfections in the metal, like small bubbles? Is this anything?

Also, the rivet marks on reverse? The rings are very pronounced around the rivets compared with the 2 examples.

I have no idea when it comes to these pieces but I'm always willing to learn!

Cheers everyone

[Airon]

Now that Andreas has jumped joined in, I might as well jump onto the bandwagon.
There are several things that I find "questionable" about it:
. the apparently soldered ring, as pointed out by Andreas
. the engraving of the serial number (see the two nearby numbered pieces I have already posted)
. the connecting ring
. the backing star
. the red enamel
. the maker's marks both on the order itself and on the suspension
. the suspension itself (Filo, can you make some sharp, focused scans/photos of its edges)
Now, if anyone cares to discuss any/all of these issues

Marc

What about the H&S Marc? Is it kosher for you?
Regarding the handgraving i can't see your point: can you please point me out what bothers you?

Filo, have you tested the enamels with Wood light (black light)?

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[filo]

Ancora no.
Lo smalto e sicuramente nuovo, non ha neanche un piccolo graffio.

[filo]

Filo, have you tested the enamels with Wood light (black light)?

The Wood light has failed, the enamel is ok.

Now that Andreas has jumped joined in, I might as well jump onto the bandwagon.
There are several things that I find "questionable" about it:
. the apparently soldered ring, as pointed out by Andreas
. the engraving of the serial number (see the two nearby numbered pieces I have already posted)
. the connecting ring
. the backing star
. the red enamel
. the maker's marks both on the order itself and on the suspension
. the suspension itself (Filo, can you make some sharp, focused scans/photos of its edges)
Now, if anyone cares to discuss any/all of these issues

Marc

Hi marc,

I am ready, but those questions let me fulfill them a few at a time, tomorrow morning shooting photos, which is the priority?

[filo]

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Tonight I put the measures of the suspension, which in my opinion seems correct.

Stasera metto le misure della sospensione, che a mio parere sembrano corrette.

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[Tommy]

Mars, on your order, there is a strange fold in the metal just above the serial number around the central hole.

Is this a die break?

[filo]

Mars, on your order, there is a strange fold in the metal just above the serial number around the central hole.

Is this a die break?

Yes, there is, but i can only assume that this is caused by its restoration, always if the order is real. (I hope to find out as soon as possible, because i would research for it).

Si, c'è, ma posso ipotizzare che sia dovuto al restauro, sempre se l'ordine e reale.

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[filo]

Ma pensa te, ho scritto al Papa, è incredibilmente lui mi ha risposto, e anche subito

[128VAM]

Ma pensa te, ho scritto al Papa, è incredibilmente lui mi ha risposto, e anche subito

è perché lui di ordini se ne intende ...e pure molto

Non ho le competenze tali per darti un giudizio definitivo, ma continuo a ribadire il concetto espresso da altri: la parte metallica (compresa la sospensione) così come l'incisione del seriale mi piace parecchio, lo smalto è ovviamente troppo mint. Io lo vedo come un pezzo che ha subito un restauro.

[airfix]

Non ho le competenze tali per darti un giudizio definitivo, ma continuo a ribadire il concetto espresso da altri: la parte metallica (compresa la sospensione) così come l'incisione del seriale mi piace parecchio, lo smalto è ovviamente troppo mint. Io lo vedo come un pezzo che ha subito un restauro.

[filo]

Ultima immagine, e a questo punto, senza conferme negative certe, qua da noi, e non avendo avuto nessun parere negativo in Faleristika, la considero una buona, ma restaurata, e anche molto bene , di conseguenza avvierò la sua ricerca.

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[Tommy]

I look forward to the research!!

[Airon]

Ottimo filo, sono curioso di vedere la ricerca