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Alvarez,

The star and the booklet are original, I don't see anything wrong with either of them, except for the second entry (the Military Merit medal) which IMO is fake.
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Yes, that is what I thought about it.

Thank you.
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A big brand new photo in M35 uniform, in a 1947 booklet, which didn't left any traces on the opposite age during 70 years of existence, you're not too exigeants gentlemen...
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Seb,

Photos come and go... I personally don't pay much attention to or place too much value on the presence of a picture. Most of the time, it was added later to "enhance" the lot, so [110.gif
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Besides the picture on the II page, which is uncommon nevertheless I don't think is violating any rule, I cannot find anything wrong in this document. The Combat Service has been added long after the booklet was issued, and it is quite common that the award name is stamped, especially in the 50-ies. I love the fact that, being the CS no longer serialised, the clerk added the reference to the awarding date. This, definitely, is not usual.
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Rocket,

Obviously, sometimes further awards were added into existing booklets. But in this case, I believe that the stamp for the Military Merit medal is a fake.

Marc
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Marc, it is not clear to me what in that stamp indicates a fake, however very likely you are right. This gentleman joined the army in 1941 and a long service CS would have been therefore awarded in 1951.
No mention of a CS at the time of receiving the red star but, as far as I could understand, he also got a Bravery Medal in 1941, which is not mentioned in the booklet (and not in pamyat-naroda as well).
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Rocket,

It is normal that his Bravery medal does not appear, since he was awarded it before the Red Star. He had received a medal booklet at the time.
I don't like many details about that Military Merit medal entry: the stamp (appearance, ink), the handwriting which is "too modern", and that small element you singled out, the date of award.
Obviously, only the UK could maybe shed some light on this issue.

Marc
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Hello everybody,

I would like your opinion about that booklet, sorry for the quality of the pictures but those are the only ones I have.

Thanks in advance
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Looks correct, but why a last entry in red ink stamp?
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Hi...looks fake. The contour of the reverse does not correspond to mondvor site….
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These others raise doubts.
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Any opinión ???
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I would say the "2" and "3" ciffers bother me...
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Thank you for your opinion, I appreciate it
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Hello, I know that it is not easy but I would like to know if that partisan medal is authentic:

Thanks in advance
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Hello, what do you think about the suspension? It looks new compared with the medal and the ribbon looks also quite new.

It is not easy to me to know if those suspensions are original.

Thanks in advance
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Alvarez,

I don't like it, but suspensions are not my forte.
Wait for Filo to chime in, he knows his suspensions [50

Marc
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Thanks Marc! I will wait for the opinion of Filo.
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I hope that filo will show up soon. I am curious as well about this suspension. I like the way it looks, overall, but there few details that make me doubt it is original. The slit edges, as an example, are very straight with no sign of filing or the typical cracks left by the cutting stroke (which, btw, cannot be seen anywhere on the borders). The nut is wrong, in my opinion. The hole in the suspension shows no trace of wearing on the edge, while the effect of the weight and the friction with the connecting ring is very important on the medal's suspension ring. Strange that it did not produce any flaring on the suspension. A picture from my database might better explain what I mean:

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Excellent observations! They make sense. [hatt
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However, please note that I am far from being an expert on suspensions. As I said, in general the look of this medal set is pleasing even if the suspension may be a repro. If it actually is, is a nice one (besides the nut). In my opinion, it is a good complement for a medal with such serial number that might have changed suspension type in 1943. The gaika look original, maybe with some rework of the thread (to match with a non correct screwpost).
Alvarez, could you post a close ups of the gaika and a lateral view of the screwpost thread?
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I completely agree with your comments, even for me it is a reply.
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Hi filo! Thank you for your confirmation. But... what about the gaika? You are one of our best experts in screwplates as well: Could this be a good one?
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rocketscientist ha scritto: sab feb 08, 2020 7:55 pm what about the gaika? Could this be a good one?


Sergio, for me yes.
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