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Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ago 25, 2017 7:13 pm
da Alvarez
Pictures of the metal part of the suspension and the nut:

I prefer not to remove the ribbon to avoid problems with the seller before a possible refund

Thank you for your help

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ago 25, 2017 7:46 pm
da Lapa
At best, the suspension was repaired; at worst, it is a fake.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ago 25, 2017 11:38 pm
da filo
Lapa ha scritto:At best, the suspension was repaired; at worst, it is a fake.
Thanks Marc, you confirm my doubts, but now I am also very concerned, I had never seen a fake nut, so well defined, and if properly aged, it might mislead very easily.

Alvarez, do not let the medal, maybe try to get a discount, it has a nice low serial number, and with patience, you can then think about replacing the suspension in the future.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ago 25, 2017 11:58 pm
da rocketscientist
I am not so critical about this suspension, what are the elements that make you thinking it is a fake? My impression is that the protrusion that receives the connecting ring was damaged and repaired, which modified it to a more triangular shape. I see some change of color in that area, maybe there are traces of soldering. It would be nice to have macro photos of that detail, if possible.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: sab ago 26, 2017 12:35 am
da filo
Sergio, the screw is a reproduction.
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Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 1:11 am
da Regaleco
Sergio, you mean this area?
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Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 1:50 am
da filo
Alvarez,
comunque senza togliere il nastro rosso, stiamo tirando a indovinare...
anyway without removing the red ribbon, we're guessing...

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 10:34 am
da rocketscientist
Regaleco ha scritto:Sergio, you mean this area?
Yes. Thank you for magnifying the area. It seems that this part was damaged at some point, maybe just badly bent, and then repaired. It is also possible that the screwpost was damaged as well, and replaced. I agree with filo that it looks younger than the medal.
In general, I like the suspension and in particular the way it connects to the medal. The uncut suspension ring does not seem (to me) having a recent soldering, and it is torn as often seen on T1 variations.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 11:28 am
da Lapa
rocketscientist ha scritto:...The uncut suspension ring does not seem (to me) having a recent soldering, and it is torn as often seen on T1 variations.
Rocket,

I beg to disagree with you on this point. I believe it to be a replacement.

Marc

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 12:30 pm
da rocketscientist
Marc, I have no problem in agreeing that we have a disagreement, time to time.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 2:58 pm
da Lapa
rocketscientist ha scritto:Marc, I have no problem in agreeing that we have a disagreement, time to time.
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Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: dom ago 27, 2017 10:39 pm
da Alvarez
Hello guys,

Thank you for your opinion and interest in clarifying the authenticity of the medal, I really appreciate your help.

Although there is no unanimity about the originality of the suspension, it seems clear that neither the screwplate nor the plate stops ribbon nor the small hexagonal nut are original.

My intention is to take a single courage medal of type 1 variant 3 with all original components, so I am not interested in having it to replace the suspension in the future. I also do not want to remove the tape to avoid problems of return.

It was not a cheap medal and is a trusted seller so I will try to return it.

Again, thanks for your help.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: gio ott 05, 2017 12:40 pm
da airfix
Cari amici, che ne pensate di questa?

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: gio ott 05, 2017 10:50 pm
da rocketscientist
Per me e' buona, airfix! [264

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ott 06, 2017 12:37 am
da filo
rocketscientist ha scritto:Per me e' buona, airfix! [264
Proprio tutto..? 8-)
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Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ott 06, 2017 8:29 am
da rocketscientist
Beh, ripeto che io per le sospensioni T1 non sono mai stato un asso, quindi i miei giudizi lasciano il tempo che trovano. In generale trovo che siano tutte piuttosto irregolari e rifinite in maniera più' o meno approssimata a seconda dello zelo dell'operaio che l'ha lavorata. L'unica cosa che da subito non mi convince e' il dado esagonale, al resto darei una chance.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: mar ott 31, 2017 12:44 pm
da komsomol
Hello, here is a late type booklet :

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: mer feb 28, 2018 9:33 am
da airfix
Con documento: Kovalko Vladimir Michailovic (Ковалько Владимир Михайловичi).

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: mer feb 28, 2018 10:08 am
da komsomol
Any traces on Podvignaroda?

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: mer feb 28, 2018 10:43 am
da airfix
Hi Kom, generally for the search of the names I go to this site: https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/podvig- ... e35173872/
But there are two Kovalkov Vladimir Mihailovich decorated with a medal for courage . Even the assignment date does not help much. The medal for military merits that the Belarussian Kovalko class 1904 is not shown on the booklet. It could therefore be the younger one, the Kovalko class 1925, but I'm not sure. [137

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: mer ago 22, 2018 6:20 pm
da Alvarez
Hello,

Courage medal type 1 variant 3, seral number 86.303 awarded to Sergeant Fedor Semyonovich Kudryavtsev in 05.02.1943 in Moscow. Fedor was born in 1897 in Zaberejye (Smolensk Oblast) and served as commander of pioneer platoon detachment, 879th rifle regiment of 158th rifle division.

Brief description of the merits:
"During the combat actions of the regiment against the German invaders proved to be a brave and courageous commander. On 5 of March 1942 during
liberation of Jiganovo village (M.Tudsky district of Smolensk region) comrade Kudryavtsen under the strong enemy fire replaced the outlived commander and himself led the platoon into battle.

During the combat action of regiment since 20 of February 1942 he repeatedly performed orders of Command for engineering work on the front line under enemy fire.

3rd of June 1942 comrade Kudryavtsev under strong enemy fire in short time mine the front line near Seltso-Dobroye village (M.Tudsky district of Smolensk region).

Worthy to be awarded by state award Courage medal."

Some pictures of the medal:

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: gio ago 23, 2018 12:27 pm
da filo
Beautiful medal, perfect enamels, and important citation for bravery.

You know although Kudryavtsev, received other Orders and medals?

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: ven ago 24, 2018 12:07 am
da Regaleco
Super medal Type 1 with original suspension as you shown in previous post, awarded for combat merit. And another brave pioneer [278

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: sab ago 25, 2018 1:31 am
da Alvarez
filo ha scritto:Beautiful medal, perfect enamels, and important citation for bravery.

You know although Kudryavtsev, received other Orders and medals?
I don't know. I have got the register card, but it is not the typical, maybe someone could help me.

Re: Medaglia per il coraggio

Inviato: sab ago 25, 2018 2:35 am
da filo
Alvarez ha scritto: I don't know. I have got the register card, but it is not the typical, maybe someone could help me.

Only Bravery medal for Кудрявцев, Федор Семенович - 1897

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