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Inviato: **mar mag 13, 2014 6:37 pm**

Some more information about the white rombus military academy badges and wearing pieces / unofficial copy´s of these badges.

I have talked to an east german officer who was a graduate of a soviet military academy in the 1980´s near Moscow.
He said: Every graduate got an official made badge without shield (last version). But all graduates went to a local jewelery shop and bought a second home made / local made piece with shield (with inscription of the school name).

Here is an example of such a local made piece (wearing piece) and an awarded official piece. These two badges belong to a group to an east german officer.

Best regards
Andreas

Inviato: **mar mag 13, 2014 7:05 pm**

A very interesting information that you provide Alfred.

Therefore the shielded badge is to be regarded as unofficial but not as a "fake" (modern reproduction created to cheat collectors). Am I right?

Inviato: **mar mag 13, 2014 7:17 pm**

To clarify: There are badges out with and without shields, which were locally made by a jewelry maker (as a kind of wearing copy´s).

But the majority of these "unofficial" nmade badges you can see on ebay and other websides are just fakes! made to cheat collectors.
I think there is no way to proof, which of these not mint made badges are unofficial wearing copy´s and which are made by fakers.

I do not talk about the offical badges made by mint. Every graduate got one of these official badges ! when he finished school.

I only said: There was a possibility to buy a second or third badge from a local juwelry maker. which was not mint made.

best regards
Andreas

Inviato: **mar mag 13, 2014 7:18 pm**

Other information

Inviato: **mar mag 13, 2014 9:14 pm**

Useful infos, guys...
Especially for whom (like me) collecting NVA items and uniforms.

Inviato: **gio mag 15, 2014 3:03 am**

Alfred ha scritto:Some more information about the white rhombus military academy badges and wearing pieces / unofficial copy´s of these badges.

I have talked to an East German officer who was a graduate of a soviet military academy in the 1980´s near Moscow.
He said: Every graduate got an official made badge without shield (last version). But all graduates went to a local jewelry shop and bought a second home made / local made piece with shield (with inscription of the school name).

Here is an example of such a local made piece (wearing piece) and an awarded official piece. These two badges belong to a group to an East German officer.
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Ho parlato con un ufficiale della Germania dell'Est che fu un laureato di una scuola militare dei soviet negli anni 1980 vicino a Mosca.
Ha detto: Ogni laureato ha ottenuto un distintivo fatto ufficiale senza scudo (l'ultima versione). Ma tutti i laureati sono andati a un negozio di gioielli locale e hanno comprato una seconda casa fatta / il pezzo fatto locale con scudo (con iscrizione del nome scolastico).

Qui è un esempio di un tal pezzo fatto locale (l'indossare di pezzo) e un pezzo ufficiale assegnato. Questi due distintivi appartengono a un gruppo a un ufficiale della Germania dell'Est.

Great info, thanks Andreas. Agree 100% that local-made pieces with shields were made at that time, and they were worn, and were tolerated officially. Hard to say currently which are legitimate and which are copies.
Your first example is curious to me. I've not seen that faint star image on the reverse, nor that particular kind of wire pin attachment method (post 1940s). Are you willing to take that apart (unscrew it) and show the parts, please?
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Gran informazione, Andreas di grazie. Ammetta al 100% che i pezzi di produzione locale con scudi furono fatti in quel tempo, e furono portati e furono tollerati ufficialmente. Forte per dire attualmente che sono legittimi e che sono copie.
Il Suo primo esempio è curioso a me. Non ho visto che l'immagine di stella debole sul rovescio, né che il genere particolare di metodo d'attaccamento di spillo di filo metallico (annunciano gli anni 1940). È disposto a smontare questo (lo sviti) e mostri le parti, per favore?

Inviato: **sab mag 17, 2014 6:46 pm**

Will do pictures in the next days. The badge is a jewelry made one (not mint made), which gradutes could by in a local shop.

Here are more things from the group to an east german officer.

best regards
Andreas

Inviato: **sab mag 17, 2014 7:25 pm**

Nice stuff, Andreas

Marc

Inviato: **sab mag 24, 2014 7:40 pm**

So, took a few days but here are pictures of the badge parts, which was made by a local jewelry shop.

best regards
Andreas

Inviato: **gio mag 29, 2014 11:03 pm**

Gli amici, pensa quest'originale? Sento il bene del 80-85% su questo.
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Friends, do you think this original? I feel 80-85% good about this.

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 12:05 am**

My opion is not a guarantee but I like it!

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 12:20 am**

Looks prefectly OK to me

Here comes one (signed!) for comparison purposes

Obverse

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 12:22 am**

Reverse

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 12:23 am**

Another original

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 1:27 am**

I agree, your badge is genuine Eric!
Japanx, the signed one is really a beauty!
Here is mine for comparison.

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Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 3:36 pm**

Ericfg ha scritto: Friends, do you think this original? I feel 80-85% good about this.

I can see the back of the badge without the nut?

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 3:48 pm**

^ Grazie, grazie, grazie!!!!

filo ha scritto:
Ericfg ha scritto: Friends, do you think this original? I feel 80-85% good about this.

I can see the back of the badge without the nut?

Ho chiesto il venditore di loro. Risponde che farà alcune foto per me. Allora aspettiamo.
La mia preoccupazione più grande è il logorio o la mancanza di dettaglio, al globo e la ghirlanda senza logorio simile del resto del distintivo.
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I asked seller for them. She replies she will take some pictures for me. So we wait.
My biggest concern is the wear, or lack of detail, to the globe and wreath without similar wear on the rest of the badge.

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 4:08 pm**

I like more the very worn badges.

Ok, In the meantime, still a Higher Military Engineering School (VVIU) graduate badge, Type 2, 1954-1957.

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Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 5:42 pm**

filo ha scritto:I like more the very worn badges.

Io, anche!
Già ha ottenuto un'immagine. Le occhiate come debba, no?
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Me, too!
Already got an image. Looks just as it should, no?

Inviato: **ven mag 30, 2014 9:17 pm**

Ericfg ha scritto: Already got an image. Looks just as it should, no?

Yes! Good catch Eric

but I think it is very risky to shop in the Russian Federation...

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Inviato: **lun giu 23, 2014 7:12 pm**

Questo venne oggi. Ho molti problemi trovando dettagli sulla scuola. ВВМУ. VVMU. Proprio so che è un più alto, se non la Scuola più alta, Navale in URSS. Nizza, presto, distintivo d'argento.
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This came today. I am having much trouble finding specifics about the school. ВВМУ. VVMU. I do know it's a higher, if not the highest, Naval School in the USSR. Nice, early, silver badge.

Inviato: **lun giu 23, 2014 9:01 pm**

Nice badge

Ericfg ha scritto: I am having much trouble finding specifics about the school. ВВМУ. VVMU.

Indeed, this is a badge for Высшее Военно-Морское Училище (ВВМУ).
We can call it "general" badge because there were not one, but several Highest Naval Schools in USSR (like this one
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%E5%F0% ... C%EE%E2%E0, or this one http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D2%E8%F5% ... 8%F2%F3%F2, etc)

I am afraid it is impossible (without additional info about cavalier) to atribute such badges to this or that ВВМУ.

Inviato: **lun giu 23, 2014 9:06 pm**

Back in the USSR there were only 11 ВВМУs

Here they are

Высшее Военно-Морское ордена Ленина, Краснознаменное, ордена Ушакова училище имени М.В.Фрунзе (г. Ленинград).
Высшее Военно-Морское Инженерное ордена Ленина училище имени Ф.Э.Дзержинского (г. Ленинград).
Каспийское Высшее Военно-Морское Краснознаменное Училище имени С.М.Кирова (г. Баку).
Высшее Военно-Морское Училище Подводного Плавания имени Ленинского Комсомола (г. Ленинград).
Тихоокеанское Высшее Военно-Морское Училище имени С.О.Макарова (г. Владивосток).
Черноморское Высшее Военно-Морское училище имени П.С.Нахимова (г. Севастополь).
Севастопольское Высшее Военно-Морское Инженерное Училище.
Высшее Военно–Морское Училище Радиоэлектроники имени А.С.Попова (г. Ленинград).
Высшее Военно-Морское Инженерное Училище имени В.И.Ленина (г. Пушкин, Ленинградской области).
Калининградское высшее Военно-Морское Училище.
Киевское высшее Военно-Морское Политическое Училище.

Inviato: **lun giu 23, 2014 9:16 pm**

A few examples of doc`s for such badges

Каспийское Высшее Военно-Морское Краснознаменное Училище имени С.М.Кирова (г. Баку).

Inviato: **lun giu 23, 2014 9:17 pm**

Тихоокеанское Высшее Военно-Морское Училище имени С.О.Макарова (г. Владивосток).

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