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Complimenti ragazzi state mostrando Ordini fantastici.
Congratulations guys, you are showing great Orders.

Volevo postare qualche mio nuovo Ordine, ma in questo momento mi vergogno un po'... penso che aspetterò tempi di calma del forum.
I wanted to post some of my new order, but right now I'm embarrassed a little ... I think I'll wait times of calm forum.

Veramente ordini superbi! Grazie Marc e Nic!

I wanted to post some of my new order, but right now I'm embarrassed a little ...

Straquoto Filo! ahahaha mi hai strappato un sorrisone!

лорин михаил васильевич - 1909

http://ilpilot.narod.ru/man/hsu_mt/i/lorin_mv.html in Italiano

http://kv.dn.ua/geroi-sovetskogo-soyuza ... evich.html in Italiano

http://www.warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=3076# Eng.

filo ha scritto: лорин михаил васильевич - 1909

http://kv.dn.ua/geroi-sovetskogo-soyuza ... evich.html in Italiano

I knew that military personnel is due to change their uniform depending on the season but I thought it only applied while they are alive!
It seems that our pilot has to wear different uniforms in summer and in winter also in his graveyard.

rocketscientist ha scritto:

filo ha scritto: лорин михаил васильевич - 1909

http://kv.dn.ua/geroi-sovetskogo-soyuza ... evich.html in Italiano

I knew that military personnel is due to change their uniform depending on the season but I thought it only applied while they are alive!
It seems that our pilot has to wear different uniforms in summer and in winter also in his graveyard.

Osservando il granito si vede bene che la lapide è sempre la stessa, quindi solo la foto è cambiata.
Opera di sciacalli, o sostituzione per rinnovo immagine ?

Immagino che "Anna Fedorovna", il cui nome compare nella seconda foto, nella parte bassa della lapide, fosse la moglie.

La sua foto appare danneggiata - graffiata via sembrerebbe..

GC* ha scritto:Immagino che "Anna Fedorovna", il cui nome compare nella seconda foto, nella parte bassa della lapide, fosse la moglie.

Anna è presente anche nella prima http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=608898#p608898

filo ha scritto: Anna è presente anche nella prima http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=608898#p608898

E la foto è integra.

Vandalismo dunque.

Guys,

First, I need to mention that I took these pictures myself last summer. That being said, I believe that there is a much simpler explanation that all the dark plots and conspiracies mentioned.

HSU were highly revered in the Soviet Union, and still are today in modern-day Russia. There is a special government service in charge of maintaining their graves at public expense. So, I think that due to exposure to the elements (temperatures vary from -25 to +30, daylight lasts almost 22 hours in summer, etc), the pictures of Lorin and of his wife faded and/or got damaged. Upon inspection of the grave site, it was noted that the pictures needed replacement, and new pictures were ordered using old archive pictures.

Marc

SergioV ha scritto:Nick, do you have any good pictures about the 1st Class of Nakhimov?

Questo in realtà sarebbe un thread già dedicato a Order of Nakhimov 2nd class №397, io eviterei di fare confusione...

Lapa ha scritto:Since we started having a look at the Navy orders, here is the other "cute boy" of the series

This piece was awarded to HSU Guard Captain of Naval Aviation Mikhail Vassilevich LORIN for his handling of operations against Japan.

I was just going through this old thread and thought I should post this one

Alexei

Nota_Bene ha scritto:

Lapa ha scritto:Since we started having a look at the Navy orders, here is the other "cute boy" of the series

This piece was awarded to HSU Guard Captain of Naval Aviation Mikhail Vassilevich LORIN for his handling of operations against Japan.

I was just going through this old thread and thought I should post this one

Alexei

Sergio,

I can't see any details on the medallion, we need much larger pictures of it.

From what can be seen (that is, not much), I tend to have a negative feeling.

Marc

Lapa ha scritto:Sergio,

I can't see any details on the medallion, we need much larger pictures of it.

From what can be seen (that is, not much), I tend to have a negative feeling.

Marc

... what Marc said

Alexei

Here are some close S/Ns with the "3" for comparison.

Alexei

Looks good to me.

Alexei

Sergio, that is much better

The obverse looks good, but I have an issue with the mintmark, in which the word "ДВОР" is markedly longer and its letters have a slightly different shape than on the other known specimens in this SN range (100 to 150). And somehow, the SN engraving make me uneasy; it looks close to what it should be, but...

What's your take on this, Alexei?

Lapa ha scritto:Sergio, that is much better

The obverse looks good, but I have an issue with the mintmark, in which the word "ДВОР" is markedly longer and its letters have a slightly different shape than on the other known specimens in this SN range (100 to 150). And somehow, the SN engraving make me uneasy; it looks close to what it should be, but...

What's your take on this, Alexei?

Marc,

My problem is that I could never learn to distinguish between what is real and the shadows on the scans, so you could easily be right.

I don't see any problem with the length of the word "ДВОР", but I am worried about the shape of the letters. I am assuming that this could be because the MM was not stamped deep enough and possibly stamped at a slight angle.

As for the serial number engraving, I think it makes you uneasy because normally, the "1" should become sharper towards the bottom, where the engraver would lighten the pressure.

All things considered I am leaning towards good, but with scans there is always an element of a guess. I can never tell for sure until I actually handle the piece.

Alexei

Sergio,

Could we see something like this?

Nota_Bene ha scritto:Marc,

My problem is that I could never learn to distinguish between what is real and the shadows on the scans, so you could easily be right.

I don't see any problem with the length of the word "ДВОР", but I am worried about the shape of the letters. I am assuming that this could be because the MM was not stamped deep enough and possibly stamped at a slight angle.

As for the serial number engraving, I think it makes you uneasy because normally, the "1" should become sharper towards the bottom, where the engraver would lighten the pressure.

All things considered I am leaning towards good, but with scans there is always an element of a guess. I can never tell for sure until I actually handle the piece.

Alexei

Alexei,

Obviously, I don't have a large number of scans of pieces in this SN range (100-190). However, when dealing with the straight MM, I have noticed that every single original piece (SN 121, 133, 145, 168, 177, 182 and 190), the length of the word "ДВОР" is consistent: the distance from the left edge of the letter Д to the left edge of the letter Р in "ДВОР" is the same as the distance between the left edge of the first letter Н and the left edge of the second letter Н in "МОНЕТНЫЙ" (or from the right edge to the right edge of these same letters). On SN 103, there is a very marked difference in length.

Now, for the shape of the letters. On 103, the inside of the letter Д is triangle shaped, the top loop of the В is markedly larger than the bottom loop, the inside part of the О is an even oval, and the loop of the P is shorter.

Regarding the engraving, it is not only the 1 that bothers me. It seems to me that this engraver has his own, very specific way, of engraving both 0 and 3. In this case, the 0 looks basically correct overall but somehow IMO not as it should: He engraved this number as 2 opposite brackets (), which is not the case here. As to the figure 3, its bottom hook is, once again IMO, a giveaway: in order to better control the chisel, it is easier to make a smaller cut. As far as I can tell, I have never seen such a small hook on a 3 made by this engraver; his are always full size.

Anyway, I agree with you that assessing genuineness from pictures is definitely not an exact science and has serious limitations.

Marc

here we are..