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Pakkenen ha scritto:

filo ha scritto:Ancora parti di ricambio.
Giorni fa ho acquistato questo lotto, nel quale c'era anche una noce "Zecca di Mosca" che sembrerebbe da scavo.

Hello, filo!

You've got good nuts!
The one that for orders - looks like made of silver, the other for the quad blocks - as for me, there is a genuine.

PaK, but this time I disagree with you, I believe that this type of screwplate in silver, is specific only for Medals, for Orders should have the D of Dvor, with a pointed top.


My current examples for Medal:
My examples for Orders :

Silver viewtopic.php?p=615647#p615647
Brass viewtopic.php?p=623654#p623654
Brass viewtopic.php?p=619928#p619928

By Anfa copyright :

filo ha scritto:
PaK, but this time I disagree with you, I believe that this type of screwplate in silver, is specific only for Medals, for Orders should have the D of Dvor, with a pointed top.

Hi, filo! Of course you are right!

I'm just so sorry that I do not know the beautiful language of blessed Italy! Therefore, for communication, I am forced to use someone else's language with the help of an interpreter. Therefore, it turned out not to accurately convey my message...
I wanted to say that the nut for the order in the center of the image, it seems, is made of silver. A nut with the inscription "Монетный двор" is a genuine

Although, for the sake of objectivity, such nuts were also used and for orders made at Mondvor. These were the Yugoslavian orders "Partisan Star".

https://screenshots.firefox.com/jsgoAx1 ... iolity.com

Pakkenen ha scritto: I wanted to say that the nut for the order in the center of the image, it seems, is made of silver. A nut with the inscription "Монетный двор" is a genuine

Pakkenen ha scritto: Although, for the sake of objectivity, such nuts were also used and for orders made at Mondvor. These were the Yugoslavian orders "Partisan Star".

Great Pak! Exactly.

Yes, blue circle Mongolian, viewtopic.php?p=607995#p607995
and red circle Yugoslavian (the hole diameter is smaller). viewtopic.php?p=587978#p587978

Filo, Pak, interesting discussion!
I also agree that Filo's one is a genuine, silver plated brass specimen.

Regaleco ha scritto: silver plated brass specimen.

Rega, it's silver only.


Also note this diversity, which diversifies them as type.

Filo,

It is actually not made out of silver, but of German silver which is then silver plated. The threaded part itself could be actual silver as some defective medals (courage, military merit, labor, etc) are known to have been used in that capacity.

Thanks, Marc, exactly, it's nickel silver (Argentone), plated with silver.

Hello,

It is not clear to me that the white screw plates are Mongolian medals, when in some places it is possible to see Soviet medals with screw plates that wear white when worn.

I put some sample photos.

There are some other examples of worn screw plate that appear white, but for the medals with "d" letter with peak:

Alvarez ha scritto:There are some other examples of worn screw plate that appear white, but for the medals with "d" letter with peak:

IMHO

Soviet: Brass-silver plated, only brass, only silver .

Mongolian: Nickel-silver viewtopic.php?p=607995#p607995

How could you differentiate "only silver" and "nickel-silver"? In spite of everything, there are a few Mongolian medals with screw plates from other materials-colors.

On the pther hand, I have seen the screw plates with "д" with peak and "д" without peak in different types of medals. In the book of Paul McDaniel and Schmitt + mondvor.narod + collectrussia, both types appear indistinctly in OPW 1 and 2, Order of Nevsky, medal for labor, medal for combat service, medal for valiant labor and medal for distinguished labor.

The truth is that it's all a bit confusing.

Alvarez ha scritto:How could you differentiate "only silver" and "nickel-silver"? In spite of everything, there are a few Mongolian medals with screw plates from other materials-colors.

On the pther hand, I have seen the screw plates with "д" with peak and "д" without peak in different types of medals. In the book of Paul McDaniel and Schmitt + mondvor.narod + collectrussia, both types appear indistinctly in OPW 1 and 2, Order of Nevsky, medal for labor, medal for combat service, medal for valiant labor and medal for distinguished labor.

The truth is that it's all a bit confusing.

Many screw plates were exchanged and intermingled in time, and the result is confusion.

Conceivably the first orders with suspension, had the silver screw, and the medals in brass, then we must consider the various mints.
But one thing is certain, the screw plates of Mongolia were nickel silver (Alpacca).

Alvarez,

* Тупая "Д" на отечках производства ММД .

Острая - КМД .


*( D smussata prod. MMD, e D acuta prod. KMD ). http://mondvor.narod.ru

Thank you for your information, it is helpful.

MMD and KMD types are manufactured in those 3 materials (brass, silver and brass-silver plated)?

The 3 types of material and the 2 manufacturers are from the same period or are there some earlier?

And the last one, Mongolian medals were manufactured in Nickel-silver by MMD and KMD, or just one of them?

Thank you!!

Alvarez, thanks for having fueled this discussion, very dear to me.

Alvarez ha scritto: MMD and KMD types are manufactured in those 3 materials (brass, silver and brass-silver plated)?

I think so.

Alvarez ha scritto:The 3 types of material and the 2 manufacturers are from the same period or are there some earlier?

The period is restricted to the first war period, until the introduction of the screw post.

Alvarez ha scritto:And the last one, Mongolian medals were manufactured in Nickel-silver by MMD and KMD, or just one of them?

I have no clear information, but seeing the form of the D, I am convinced that it is MMD.

For Mongolia, confusion reigns supreme... Per la Mongolia, la confusione regna sovrana...


And...

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Thanks to you filo!!!

Nice information and very interesting discussion about screw plates. Unfortunately neither mondvor.narod nor the book of Paul Mcdaniel clarify the subject.

Anyway, thanks again for sharing your knoledge.

Regards

To end my part with this topic, some time ago (just the first message of this page) you put some images of what looks like a russian publication of courgae medals. Is it a book? What book is it? Do you know if it's worth buying and where you can find it?

I do not have to say that I do not understand Russian, but with the photos I'm satisfied.

Thank you very much

Alvarez ha scritto:To end my part with this topic, some time ago (just the first message of this page) you put some images of what looks like a russian publication of courgae medals. Is it a book? What book is it? Do you know if it's worth buying and where you can find it?

I do not have to say that I do not understand Russian, but with the photos I'm satisfied.

Thank you very much

Non è un libro, ma una ricerca elettronica di "anfa", un utente moderatore del forum Faleristika.
It is not a book, but an electronic research of 'anfa', a moderator user of the Faleristika forum.

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