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Questo credo sia un copricapo da generale di fucilieri motorizzati per parata 1955-68. Spero abbia tutte le sue cosine al posto giusto.

I love it. I believe this is a sixties version (15 republics chin cord buttons, clear gold-plating on cockade)...

Airfix,

Nice cap which was manufactured between 1955 and 1958. However, the cocade does not correspond to the time period, it should be a 2-part bronze one; the one you show was introduced in 1964.

Marc

Lapa ha scritto:Airfix,

Nice cap which was manufactured between 1955 and 1958. However, the cocade does not correspond to the time period, it should be a 2-part bronze one; the one you show was introduced in 1964.

Marc

Why not after 1958?

Very nice cap!

And following Lapa's point ...

Lapa ha scritto: However, the cocade does not correspond to the time period, it should be a 2-part bronze one; the one you show was introduced in 1964.

... here comes a photo from my collection of the cockade you seek (first from left), http://www.rkka.it/forum/download/file.php?id=138031 - http://www.rkka.it/forum/download/file.php?id=138032 .

In this topic you'll find reference to some cap badges regulations, in case that interests you, http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=28681 .

A leggere questo http://www.undertheredstar.com/army55.htm il cappello in questione sembrerebbe in servizio dal 1955 al 1968, per cui il fregio in due parti di alluminio introdotto nel 1964 dovrebbe andar bene.

komsomol ha scritto:Why not after 1958?

Because in 1958, the actual name of the manufacturer was changed from "УВХС МО" to "УВС МО"

airfix ha scritto:A leggere questo http://www.undertheredstar.com/army55.htm il cappello in questione sembrerebbe in servizio dal 1955 al 1968, per cui il fregio in due parti di alluminio introdotto nel 1964 dovrebbe andar bene.

True, the type was in use from 1955 to 1969. However, your cap is an early variation which, IMO, would be much better fitted with an earlier brass cocade.

Marc

Lapa ha scritto:

airfix ha scritto:A leggere questo http://www.undertheredstar.com/army55.htm il cappello in questione sembrerebbe in servizio dal 1955 al 1968, per cui il fregio in due parti di alluminio introdotto nel 1964 dovrebbe andar bene.

True, the type was in use from 1955 to 1969. However, your cap is an early variation which, IMO, would be much better fitted with an earlier brass cocade.

Marc

Tank for the information. I'll try to search the brass cocade.

Marco

Lapa ha scritto:

komsomol ha scritto:Why not after 1958?

Because in 1958, the actual name of the manufacturer was changed from "УВХС МО" to "УВС МО"

Thus the chin strap buttons don't fit also (15 republics and modern light gold wash)...

Airfix ,

You have a date behind the buttons ??

Thanks

Dom ha scritto:Airfix ,

You have a date behind the buttons ??

Thanks

Appena torno a casa controllo e ti faccio sapere.

Ok thanks .

Dom ha scritto:Airfix ,

You have a date behind the buttons ??

Thanks

Behind the buttons there are one written marked that i can not read well, it seems МОСШ..АМП (the dots are for a letter that i can not decipher); at the bottom of the buttons, between two small stars, there is the number 60.

tanks Dom

Marco

There DO exist genuine caps like this one with modern gold wash cockades... How do you imagine are the caps of the sixties? They were not all produced in the preivous decade with bras cockades...

airfix ha scritto:
Behind the buttons there are one written marked that i can not read well, it seems МОСШ..АМП (the dots are for a letter that i can not decipher); at the bottom of the buttons, between two small stars, there is the number 60.

tanks Dom

Marco

МОСШTАМП / MOSSHTAMP factory Moscow dated 1960

Dom ha scritto:

airfix ha scritto:
Behind the buttons there are one written marked that i can not read well, it seems МОСШ..АМП (the dots are for a letter that i can not decipher); at the bottom of the buttons, between two small stars, there is the number 60.

tanks Dom

Marco

МОСШTАМП / MOSSHTAMP factory Moscow dated 1960

komsomol ha scritto:There DO exist genuine caps like this one with modern gold wash cockades... How do you imagine are the caps of the sixties? They were not all produced in the preivous decade with bras cockades...

What means DO?

airfix ha scritto:

komsomol ha scritto:There DO exist genuine caps like this one with modern gold wash cockades... How do you imagine are the caps of the sixties? They were not all produced in the preivous decade with bras cockades...

What means DO?

Putting the verb "to do" next to the verb "to exist" is a way of insisting on a fact.

komsomol ha scritto:

airfix ha scritto:

komsomol ha scritto:There DO exist genuine caps like this one with modern gold wash cockades... How do you imagine are the caps of the sixties? They were not all produced in the preivous decade with bras cockades...

What means DO?

Putting the verb "to do" next to the verb "to exist" is a way of insisting on a fact.

That stupid that i'm. I thought it was an acronym.

1960 then. Well, since brass cap badges were replaced with lighter metal ones in 1958, it does seem you won't have to hunt for any replacement for the current cockade.
Good news!

GC* ha scritto:1960 then. Well, since brass cap badges were replaced with lighter metal ones in 1958, it does seem you won't have to hunt for any replacement for the current cockade.
Good news!

Sorry GC, but if you go back to the actual Prikaz, it happened in 1964, not in 1958.

Bel pezzo ne ho avuti diversi di copricapi da generale sovietico e diversi ne ho ancora.
La versione originale da parata è davvero incantevole

Lapa ha scritto:Sorry GC, but if you go back to the actual Prikaz, it happened in 1964, not in 1958.

Very interesting to hear that! Never got to check the actual Prikaz itself and always based my studies on the editions of the MO SSSR "pravila poshenia voennoy formi odeshdi" and on researches and studies on Russian forums.

Kushenko does show 1964 as starting date for the aluminium cockades, but checking forums and other collectors' researches there seem to exist very blurry lines as per when the change between brass two-pieces construction, aluminium two-piaces construction and aluminium one-piece construction was effectively implemented "on the field".

I came to believe that the actual change between cockades of different materials happened somewhere around the late 1950s, early 1960s, but definitely earlier than 1964. 1958 is a reference date that I cannot get out of my mind as it is one of the publications date of the "pravila poshenia" - and the date taken by some Russian researchers as actual starting point of the aluminium period.

I guess I'll clear up my mind when I'll get to check the archives.