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http://www.medals.org.uk/poland/peoples ... lic005.htm


Storia

L'Ordine è istituito nel novembre dall'alto comando della Gwardia Ludowa, una piccola frazione della Resistenza polacca organizzata dai comunisti del Partito Operaio Polacco durante la seconda guerra mondiale. L'istituzione di questa onorificenza venne ratificata il 20 febbraio 1944 dal governo filo sovietico del Consiglio Nazionale di Stato e il successivo 22 dicembre dal Comitato Polacco di Liberazione Nazionale e venne ulteriormente confermata il 17 febbraio 1960 dal governo della Repubblica Popolare di Polonia.

Dopo il crollo del sistema comunista l'onorificenza venne abolita dalle nuove autorità della Polonia. La decisione è stata piuttosto controversa ed attualmente ci sono delle organizzazioni di veterani che chiedono che venga ristabilita.

Classi

L'Ordine disponeva delle seguenti classi di benemerenza:

I Classe, concessa 71 volte
II Classe, concessa 346 volte
III Classe, concessa 5321 volte


Per delle foto interessanti vedere il post di Japanx in: Soviet officers with Polish awards

I saw a genuine 3rd class with a doc on Allegro. 600 euros, can't play...

Superb and sober award!

komsomol ha scritto:I saw a genuine 3rd class with a doc on Allegro. 600 euros, can't play...

Superb and sober award!

http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=600545#p600545

Seb, the decoration is very simple in its construction, how can you distinguish an original from a fake?

http://www.awardrp.narod.ru/1939_1945/c ... unvald.htm http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... &sandbox=1

The badge is totally different from the cross. The badge and the medal have been produced in huge quantities. The question of fakes is not critic, as communist awards are not as asked as WW2
and 1st Republic awards. Wojciech Stela states that main amateurs of communist awards are Russian collectors.

The cross is another subjet. I must scan some pages of the Stela book, which is a major work, but uneasy to use on a phaleristic basis: the variations on coinage and fabric are not clearly stated, it doesn't point crucial details to indentify a fake.

komsomol ha scritto:The badge is totally different from the cross. The badge and the medal have been produced in huge quantities. The question of fakes is not critic, as communist awards are not as asked as WW2
and 1st Republic awards. Wojciech Stela states that main amateurs of communist awards are Russian collectors.

The cross is another subjet. I must scan some pages of the Stela book, which is a major work, but uneasy to use on a phaleristic basis: the variations on coinage and fabric are not clearly stated, it doesn't point crucial details to indentify a fake.

Sorry Seb, I have wrong link, now is the right one, I also added French translation. http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=615673#p615673

I spent a few hours reading the Stela... Now I'm not sure the cross I showed is genuine. It doesn't fit in any of the variations shown in the book. Stela describes two soviet fabrics, and two polish fabrics. The one shown on Allegro doesn't fit.
It is still the game of the "seven mistakes"!

Here are some examples of the ref book:

First, the two Krasnokamsk versions: the swords are not stuck to the inner edge of the ecu rim:

Then the lettering on the reverse ecu evolves (see the "4" and the way in which the "K" touches the "G")

Now the official State mint (Washaw) version: the swords do touch the inner edge of the ecu rim, on reverse the 1410 date is really close to the inner edge)

Now two identified copies, the last one being frightening!

Now tell me if I'm wrong:

The avers is the State mint version with swords stuck to the rim.

On the reverse the 1410 date is too far from the edge. The bottom of the "G" letter is not clear.

Seb, Great job

komsomol ha scritto:Now tell me if I'm wrong:
The avers is the State mint version with swords stuck to the rim.
On the reverse the 1410 date is too far from the edge. The bottom of the "G" letter is not clear.

According to the book you are absolutely right.

Then also the Gothic1945 cross III is a fake? http://www.rkka.it/forum/viewtopic.php?p=600545#p600545 Yes?


Other samples taken from the web:

komsomol ha scritto:Now tell me if I'm wrong:

The avers is the State mint version with swords stuck to the rim.

On the reverse the 1410 date is too far from the edge. The bottom of the "G" letter is not clear.

Correct me, the thickness of the frame of the shield, it seems more Krasnokamsk.

(Guys, I can't contribute with anything meaningful here, but I wanted to tell you that I am very much enjoying this topic - keep up the good work! )

Molto interessante

di che libro si tratta?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Polish-Orders-a ... 1947186356

2 volumes. If you want I can give the author's mail!

thank you