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Vi posto qua un'ordine Bogdan Khmelnitsky 3 classe falso che mi hanno regalato. Penso possa essere utile a chi come me non è ancora esperto nel riconoscere al volo l'autenticità di questo ordine

Ahia.. non hanno fatto un grande sforzo per la realizzazione del recto..

GC* ha scritto:Ahia.. non hanno fatto un grande sforzo per la realizzazione del recto..

si, in effetti è proprio bruttino

Good example of a bad fake!

Looks like made of Copper!

Tra l'altro, c'è almeno il numero seriale?

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Also, is there a serial number at all?

Here is a better copy made out of silver.

Andreas

Nice catch, Andreas! The new generations of fake Khmelnitsky are really well done

Sorry Marc,

I bought this one in the beginning 90´s.

best regards
Andreas

So, they were already quite well made then too!!! Just goes to show that all good fakes are not necessarily recent, a point that I have been repeating (too!) many times...

If you have a closer look at it, this is not such a good fake after all.

Alexei

Any oppinions about this one?

best regards
Andreas

Andreas,

Here are pictures of OK3 1221. The obverse is similar, I can't really tell anything about the reverse from such a small fragment.

Marc

Here is a better picture of reverse.

Marc, I am confused.

The reverse looks total different. But I think there is the same damage at the tip of the star. (red circle)

Was the reverse cleaned?

best regards
Andreas

Here is a comparision of the serial number.

or a cast copy?

Imho, it's a cast copy Alfred.

Alfred ha scritto:or a cast copy?

Andreas,

That's what I was thinking originally, but wasn't certain without having a look at the back in its entirety. Now, I do believe that it is a cast copy of the one I have shown.

Marc

Hi Marc,

could it not be, that only the solder on the reverse war removed?

On the front are the same scratches....

Andreas

another one

I agree with Alfred, because the various scratches on the surface all coincide, for me it is the same order, unless it has been cloned...

Guys,

filo ha scritto:I agree with Alfred, because the various scratches on the surface all coincide, for me it is the same order, unless it has been cloned...

What happens when you make an imprint of an order using, say, silicon or ceramic for instance? You get a very finely detailed mold that you can further use to make duplicates of the original piece. And guess what! The defects of the original order or medal will also appear on the copies... Although, as can be seen from Andrea's collages, they may be slightly attenuated in places on the copy.
Anyway, that is nothing more than my opinion

Marc

I am no authority but i suggest to focus on the details that a faker may have forgotten to do well.
For instance the screw and the solderings.
With this photos though it's difficult to tell...

they may be slightly attenuated in places on the copy

look at the mint mark.

i suggest to focus on the details that a faker may have forgotten to do well.
For instance the screw and the solderings.

Always my innocent opinion...

Lapa ha scritto:Guys,

filo ha scritto:I agree with Alfred, because the various scratches on the surface all coincide, for me it is the same order, unless it has been cloned...

What happens when you make an imprint of an order using, say, silicon or ceramic for instance? You get a very finely detailed mold that you can further use to make duplicates of the original piece. And guess what! The defects of the original order or medal will also appear on the copies... Although, as can be seen from Andrea's collages, they may be slightly attenuated in places on the copy.
Anyway, that is nothing more than my opinion

Marc

In fact I agree with you, and as I stated above, I said that was cloned.
them to make this kind of copies, in addition to the materials and tools needed to operate, those should also have available the original order, with this we can also say that behind the great counterfeiters, there are often big collectors...?